'A 25% base pay increase': Worker gets denied promotion, gets a new job instead... effectively promoting themself, others share their stories

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    Happy - "Director told me I had to prove myself for a promotion. So I proved myself to another company for a 25% base pay increase." usiness CARBER You sure about that?
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    Font - Posted by u/A-Wise-Cobbler Director told me I had to prove myself for a promotion. So I proved myself to another company for a 25% base pay increase and double the bonus % M OC So 8+ years ago I used to work as a business analyst for a large multinational construction materials company. I was a good employee. They were a great employer. I had been given two promotions in my time there and been moved to several domains in the IT department. I learned a lot. A role came up to be a Sr. Busin
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    Font - A few successful projects later in the new domain I asked if I could organically be promoted to a Sr. Business Analyst. And by successful delivery I mean my business partner going to another director in IT, who had a stake in that domain "Where has he been all of my life" so I had definitely done good if not great. My manager spoke with my Director and the response was "well he needs to prove himself"
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    Font - I had to laugh. Don't get me wrong again. My director was a great guy. He after all did promote me twice and gave me the opportunity to learn all these various new domains of the business. Nothing against him. The explanation just pissed me off. I would've been satisfied with "there's no budget this year" or "I don't think I'll get approval for an in place promotion". HR was one of the domains I supported so I know how things go. So I kept learning the new domain and started applying for
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    Font - Director wanted me to prove myself. I just proved my worth to another company. Got a $22k raise on my base and doubled my bonus percentage. My manager then comes and asks me "so was there anything we could've done to keep you like make you a Sr.?" "Well I only started looking because they said no to being promoted. Otherwise I was and still am happy here. The money is hard to turn down though." In hindsight I am glad they denied me the promotion. I would've never left that company otherwi
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    Font - Forsaken-Yak-7581 +2 Sometimes a small push like this can be all we need to help us with our next move. Your manager must have quickly realised that they screwed up! Reply Share Vote ... A-Wise-Cobbler OP He moved on a few months after me. He was denied his own promotion while I was still there he also proved his worth to another company. And agreed. I had become complacent. This push really helped set a much better career path and way more lucrative earning potential for me. Vote Reply S
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    Font - Hanzoku Employers love complaining that employees are no longer loyal - well of course not. Because Employers no longer treat us well. All it would have taken to keep you would have been a title change and a small raise - now they need to find a Sr. Business Analyst (since that was the work you were doing, title or not) while paying 25%+ more than they were paying you if they want to hire anyone. Vote Reply Share Ok_Time8560 My FIL was shocked and got on his soapbox for a bit at my wife a
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    Font - Incredibly_bad_name I did this recently. Was made a Project Manager and told that as a new PM, I would have to learn all the budgeting and progress tracking tools. I would then be given a raise up to the Management rate of $40/hr. They also made me Salary removing my ability to get OT, and bumped me up $0.50/hr.
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    Font - I learned everything, had several flawless projects under my belt and they refused to honor their side of the bargain. I was told by the owners that I was an incredible asset and they valued my work and opinions, only to find out through back channels that the OPS manager was purposely keeping my team and I from being successful. "If we promote you... who will do the work?" So I asked about the deal they made me, and was told that I needed to prove myself to her. So I did. I took a positi
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    Font - MrWhiteLabCoat A similar scenario happened to me. I was very good at my job and I really liked it. However, everytime I would ask about raises, promotions, or cross training, there was some excuse as to why they couldn't. So after 5 years there I started looking. After a month I found something better. 39k to 63k. I succeeded at the new job but they kept up with the same excuses. 3 years later I decided to look for the greener pastures. It also helped motivate me that over the 3 years I w
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    Font - Philbo100 Many companies and HR people have the nindset that anyone they get in from outside is better than the people they already have. What follows is that they can pay a new hire more than the people they already have. ie the budget to is more than the budget to keep. If you ever get a yearly review that pays less than inflation, or your pay has been static for a few years. (or worse no pay rises at all and you have flatlined), then the company is actually saying; "You might as well s
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    Font - Loco6191 17 hr. ago Had a similar experience last year. I was comfortable in my previous job but I am glad they denied my in-house promotion request. Applied outside and got the scrum master job with a 25% pay hike. Before I left, they were ready to match the offer and give me the promotion that I was waiting for last 3 years. Reply Share Vote ZiggerTheNaut You should have then said this, "Why wasn't I worth the pay increase 3 years ago? If you really want to keep me then you need to back
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    Font - dart22 Yup. At some point in the MBA process they should really start teaching that if an employee asks for a raise/promotion and you turn them down, then you should really expect their resignation soon after. And if you can't afford their resignation, you can't afford to turn down their promotion. Vote Reply Share Hollayo They do. It's also taught that it's more expensive to find a new employee than to give a current one s raise. Source: I have a MBA from a top tier school. Vote Reply Sh
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    Font - SCPutz I love my current job but I'm in a similar position to your original position. Just had an annual review. "Model employee", "you're the kind of employee every company wants" yadda yadda. "Here's a 3% raise, good job!" Following Monday I get an email confirming the raise but stating no future raises would be forthcoming until I increase my output to X. I cannot increase my output because I'm bottlenecked by other people-both our own staff and other companies. Thus I have no control
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    Font - ElleDeeNS I love stories like this. I was hired for a job where I quickly learned that the actual responsibilities went well beyond what was advertised, which included doing nearly all of the functions of multiple people at a higher pay grade for approximately 1/3 of the year while they travelled. My boss, correctly, flagged this for review by HR and wrote a proposal asking for a pay bump for me and noted that "we are going to continue losing good people to our competitors if we don't pay
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    Font - Fast forward three months. HR turned down the pay bump request and they did, in fact, lose me to a competitor who paid me 40% more to do a comparable job. Turns out that the extra responsibilities that were dumped on me gave me the more specialized experience I needed to get my new job.
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    Font - Fast forward another month. They also lost my manager who wrote about losing good people to competitors. He went to work for the same company as I did He took a non-management position that was lateral to mine and still got a huge pay raise from what he had been making. We're both still at the same place years later and make about 2.5x what our original salaries were at our old jobs and I think we'd both agree that our respective jobs are not only better, but easier. Vote Reply Share
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    Font - RightSide Blind I'm running into this right now. I was hired on at a new company almost five years ago. For three years, I was the only one in my department. Eventually, we hired someone else, at my level. He got promoted to Lead after a few months and... I didn't mind, not too much. He's better at management than I am, but I'm more technically skilled, more of a problem solver.
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    Font - A year later, we hired another guy. He's my level of experience. Then we hired two more, bringing our department to five people. Due to the economy, our raises just kept up with inflation. I always good great annual reviews. Eventually, the company announced that significant raises would be tied to position- the only way I could get a raise better than inflation would be to be promoted to Primary. I figured that I'd get that position at the next review.
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    Font - Well, I didn't. Other people in other departments did. I asked for a meeting with my superiors, and asked why I had been passed over. They said that they wanted me to prove myself for the position. I was a little upset (I mean, I'd been there longer than anyone else, and had always gotten great reviews- why didn't that count as "proving" myself?) But, I agreed, and started working even harder. My next review was glowing. I figured I'd gotten the promotion, so I waited. And waited. I saw o
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    Font - Three months later (just a couple of weeks ago), I found out by accident that the second guy they'd hired after me had been hired on as Principal. Apparently, he'd been in that position for two years and nobody had ever mentioned it to me. I was fug furious. After all, how many Principals does a team of five need? I've got a phone interview at another company this afternoon, and I'm talking to another company in email right now. It pisses me off. In many ways, this is my dream job. But I'

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